Unofficial Tangerine Dream FAQ ======================================================================== Tadream Frequently Asked Questions Last Update Mon  Feb 1st, 1999 Version 1.35   This is a file containing answers to some of the questions that have been asked on the Tangerine Dream mailing list ( tadream@cs.uwp.edu ). The comments in this file are the gleaned from various current and past members of the list, as many times, multiple responses have been edited into one - more complete answer. As such exact attribution cannot be given. In particular, thanks to the original contibutors, including Bob Pietkovitch, Alan Michaels, and Nick Rothwell for many of the original responses. Initial text culling by tadream-request@cs.uwp.edu First reworking and clarification compliments of Neil Bowers   ( neilb%dcs.leeds.ac.uk@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU ) . Some additions and updates made by Klaus Beschorner   ( klaus_beschorner@bb.maus.de ) Latest reworking and current administration courtesy of Steve Jenkins   ( steve@lpool.demon.co.uk ) This is a file containing answers to questions that have been asked on the Tangerine Dream mailing list ( tadream@cs.uwp.edu ). ***Many topics or questions are covered at the Tangerine Dream Official Website and there is hopefully little duplication between the FAQ on that site and this FAQ.*** ==================================================================================================== Topics Covered (# = new or updated since last release) # 1) Where is the Official Tangerine Dream Homepage ? # 2) Is this a comprehensive FAQ on Tangerine Dream ?   3) The band's name origin # 4) Lyrics # 5) Discography # 6) Videos # 7) Origin/Meaning of Album Titles # 8) Origin/meaning of song titles   9) Green Desert   10) Michael Hoenig   11) Ralph Wadephul #12) Chris Franke    13) Johannes Schmoelling # 14) Paul Haslinger # 15) Books   16) Fan Club Information # 17) Fanzines    18) E-Music Fan Club (KLEM)    19) Bootlegs # 20) What is a Tape Tree ?    21) Pergamon/Quichotte/Staatsgrenze West # 22) Kaleidoscope - a new TD album ?    23) Thief Tracks # 24) The Keep on Tsunami records - is it the real thing ? # 25) Where was Encore recorded ? # 26) What soundtracks did TD actually do and what was lifted from other albums? # 27 What are the origins of the many OSTs ? # 28 Which OSTs and TV Soundtracks have TD scored ? # 29) Where did the tracks on Hollywood Years 1 and 2 originate from ? # 30) What were the most popular TD albums # 31) What is that sound at the beginning and end of the Livemiles West-Berlin Concert? # 32) Did TD music get played at the start of the 1996 Olympic Games ? # 33) Which tracks appeared on both Traumzeit and Electronic Orgy boots? # 34) Where can I get a complete concert listing ? # 35) Where is there a TD cover image gallery ? # 36) Acronymns and jargon - what do they mean ? # 37) Official web resources # 38) Are there any unofficial Web sites for additional information ? 39) What's available on the tadream archive? # 40) How do I subscribe to the Tadream Mailing List ? #41) How old are Edgar and Jerome ? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Subject: Where is the Official Tangerine Dream Homepage ? The Official tangerine Dream homepage can be found at : http://www.tadream.de and contains a host of information that is not duplicated in this FAQ. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) Subject: Is this a comprehensive FAQ on Tangerine Dream ? No. This FAQ serves to supplement the information provided on the band's Official homepage. Check the 101 Q&A's on the Official site that the band has prepared and tour the site to find out if the information you need is there. If not, it may well be contained in this FAQ. Return to Index ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   3) Subject: The band's name origin The name Tangerine Dream is a mystery. One popular myth is that the name Tangerine Dream came from the "Lucy in the Sky" song. Edgar says this is not true, and that it is in fact an acronym, but will not divulge the meaning, or origin. Return to Index -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) Subject: Lyrics The Lyrics to the following tracks or albums: alpha.centauri (Alpha Centauri) atem (Atem) kiew.mission (Exit) lady.greengrass (a single by THE ONES) london (Tyger) love.of.mine (a single by THE ONES) loved.by.the.sun (Legend) shy.people (Shy People LP) shy.people.movie (Shy People film) smile (Tyger) the.fly (Tyger) tyger (Tyger) are currently available at : http://crydee.sai.msu.su/ftproot/pub/rec/music/lyrics/cs-uwp/t/tangerine.dream/   The Official Tangerine Dream Homepage lists the following lyrics: Alpha Centauri: Alpha Centauri Cyclone: Bent Cold Sidewalk, Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender Tyger: Tyger, London, The Fly, The Smile Exit: Kiew Mission Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) Subject: Discography The Tangerine Dream Official site has a brief discography, but it is not wholly complete Iit doesn't list all of the soundtrack work they have done, for example) and doesn't cover the solo works of all existing and previous band members. A reasonably complete discography is available via   E-Mail request from tadream-request@cs.uwp.edu. The most complete discographies can be  found on various fans webpages (see #38) Return to Index -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) Subject: Videos TD have four officially available videos (on LD, VHS and DVD) and several small clips available on the computer. Many videoclips of TD tracks and performances have been produced since as far back as 1975. Most of them were never released, and less than a dozen shown on music channels all over the world. None were made available commercially so far, so they are only traded among fans who recorded them from TV. There are also several promotional videos floating around from the Private Music era, none have been released for purchase. 6.1) Canyon Dreams A combination of Grand Canyon imagery and TD music (in stereo). It contains 6 tracks, each of about 4-5 minutes, total duration is 38 minutes. The band lineup at the time was Frose, Franke & Haslinger. The video is available in VHS PAL, VHS NTSC,  LD NTSC and DVD (region 1)formats, and is on Miramar Productions. The soundtrack is now available on CD (Miramar CD ...). It contains re-equalized versions of the tracks from the video, and an additional track composed and played by Jerome Froese. 6.2) Three Phase - Past, Present, Future Has 11 tracks mainly from TDs 1992 US-tour, with some older video footage of the band thrown in. It plays 48 minutes and is available in VHS PAL , VHS NTSC and LD from Miramar Productions. 6.3) Oasis Released in 1997 by Camera One. A non-narrative video that weaves together TD's music with video footage form the landscapes of SW United States.  It won two awards in the US: the "Telly" award for Best Music and Video and the "Gold Award" for Best Musical Video category at the 1997 Houston International film Festival.   Music form the video was released as the album "Oasis.  6.4) Luminous Visions Collaboration with the Japanese Video Artist Yoichiro Kawaguchi. A high tech computer animated video. The package contains the Video Cassette and also the complete TDIŽ CD version of the Soundtrack. TD agreed to include the CD in the pack, because the music is already released on a number of other albums. The Pack is released through Sony Music VideoŽ. Also available on DVD (region 1). 6.5) Two short video clips were released on the Italian CDI release of Turn of the Tides. The videos are presented in Quicktime movies are from their days with Private Music, The videos contain footage of Paul, Jerome, and Edgar riding bicycles in the desert, and a vintage-style movie clip of Jerome, Edgae, and Linda. This CDI also contains several interview videos in Quicktime format. 6.6) The Video Dream Mixes Duration 60 mins (approx) UK Item code - QLG5001 - Game Entertainment Group.  QLG stands for Quantam Leap Group.  Licensed to Castle Communications (C) 1996 TDI 9 Tracks - 1. Bride In Cold Tears - 5:30 2. Catwalk - 7:50 3. Joungle Journey - 6:20 4. Touchwood - 8:00 5. Change Of The Gods - 7:20 6. Rough Embrace - 5.30 7. Little Blonde In The Park Of Attractions - 7:20 8. San Rocco - 7:20 9. Sojus - 6.10 Produced and Directed by Edgar Froese.  It also says on the cover that it is sold exclusively in the UK by Game Entertainment  Also available on LD and DVD (region 1). Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   7) Subject: Origin/Meaning of Album Titles Force Majeure: a French expression meaning irresistible compulsion or coercion; an unforseable course of events excusing from fulfilment of contract. For example, insurance companies will not cover "force majeure" damages, such as natural disasters, tax changes. Hyperborea: The album title has nothing to do with Greek mythology. The name 'Hyperborea' can be found in descriptions of the entire earth's decades - which are counted in millions and millions of years - in Rudolf * Steiner's anthroposophical book 'Hyperborea' is named as the second earth race after the so called Polaric race, followed by the Lemurian, Antlantis and Aric race. Phaedra: Greek mythology, she was a mortal, married to Theseus, but she loved his son Hippolytus, who repulsed her advances. She turned Theseus against Hippolytus, who then had his son killed. Melrose: Private Music was located on Melrose Avenue in Hollywood when the album was released. Ricochet: It was the name of a pinball game the band played during the tours. Rubycon: comes from the word "Rubicon" which is defined: Ru.bi.con (n) ('r{u:}-bi-.k{a:}n) Etymology: L i[Rubicon-], i[Rubico], river of northern Italy forming part of the boundary between Cisalpine Gaul and Italy whose crossing by Julius Caesar in 49 B.C. was regarded by the Senate as an act of war n, a bounding or limiting line; esp: one that when crossed commits a person irrevocably Stratosfear: Pun on Stratosphere. Tangram: Chinese puzzle consisting of a square cut into seven pieces which are then combined into various figures. Pergamon: Pergamon was an Ancient greek city but located on the Eastern Aegean in (then) Asia Minor (now Turkey). It flourished in the Hellenistic period and was home to a thriving sculptural school known for its dramatic (baroque) style (after c. 300 BCE). The famous altar of Zeus was removed from Pergamon (I think it was an Ottonian gift to the German royalty) and has been restored and kept in the antiquities museum in (former) East Berlin (aka [by some] as the Pergamon museum). It is, arguably, the most significant work there. Quichotte: Quichotte is (at least) the French spelling of "Quijote". The character's full name is "Don Quijote de la Mancha" (he named himself that way early in the book when he decided to become a knight). He is the epic hero of Cerventes who attacked windmills thinking they were giants. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) Subject: Origin/Meaning of Song Titles (still under construction) Craving for Cardamom Cardamom seeds are used widely in Asian (especially Indian) cooking. This title is probably a joky reference to the need to have a good curry! Network 23 This is the name of the ficticious TV station/network that MaxHeadroom was on. Choronzon The name of a demon. Voxel Ux Voxel is apparently the three-dimensional equivalent of a Pixel (Picture Element), although this is unconfirmed.   Bent Cold Sidewalk The beginning vocoder part of this track is from Shakespeare (the poem about the speaking trees). The poem does not mention anything about sidewalks. The entire lyrics of the song and thus the title are by Steve Joliffe, see #4.  The Shakespeare poem was added as a last-minute idea as they added the vocoder intro and apparently didn't feel like writing their own lyrics for that (this info comes from a TD interview). Return to Index -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) Subject: Green Desert Why was this album was done without Baumann ? In the early months of 1973, Peter decided to take a little sojourn to visit Kathmandu in Nepal. While he was away, Froese and Franke worked on some pieces of music that were a little different from TD's music at the time. They nearly had the tracks finished before Baumann returned. No one is sure if Froese and Franke expected him back. But, since TD was (and is) a "democratic institution," the vote was that Green Desert was to be shelved for the time being. Later in 1986, Froese "found" the tapes, recorded the music and remixed the results into what we know of as "Green Desert." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) Subject: Michael Hoenig Baumann took another little sojourn to parts unknown during the Australian tour of 1975. That was when Michael Hoenig joined up with TD for about about 2 to 3 months. Not too much later, Baumann left for good. According to Froese, Hoenig was not considered "a member of Tangerine Dream"; but as far as the list is concerned, he was. Return to Index -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) Subject: Ralph Wadephul Ralph Wadephul WAS going to be the new member of TD. The Sun Gate track that he originally wrote (and Haslinger and Froese 'helped' with) on Optical Race was a good sign of a bright future. His 1988 tour with TD showed him to a very capable touring musician. It is suspected, however, that Froese-Haslinger duo and Wadephul simply didn't mix well. Froese does not talk about these things. TD's a pretty private group (hence, no biographies). So, there's no real, hard evidence. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) Subject: Chris Franke Since Christoph's departure from TD, he moved to Los Angeles to do soundtrack work. He was (and still is?) a musician / consultant for WaveFrame USA and their AudioFrame product. He set up his own record label, Sonic Images and on this label Franke has released several solo albums,  `Pacific Coast Highway', a live album from his 'London Concert', Klemania (for the Klem music festival) and a film music sampler to name but a few. Being a prolific and successful film music writer, he has composed numerous soundtracks to the television series Babylon 5, most of which have been released. More about his work can be found on his own homepage, which contains an excellent biography of his work to date (see #37), and it's about time for a seperate FAQ for him. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) Subject: Johannes Schmoelling Since his departure from the band Johannes has produced five albums: Wuivend Riet, The Zoo of Tranquility, Songs- No Words and White Out are all electronic music, Der Zaubergeiger Settembrini is a soundtrack for a fairy tale narration. "Songs No Words." was released on the Erdenklang label in 1995. Cat. no. 50802. The Zoo of Tranquility was on the now-defunct Theta label, and is almost impossible to get hold of, although a re-worked version of the album was released on the Erdenklang label in 1998. Wuivend Riet is Dutch, and means `Wind-blown reeds'. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) Subject: Paul Haslinger Since his departure from the band Paul has worked together with French duo LIGHTWAVE and performed some tracks released on cassettes and CD-samplers "Nunc Music" and "Octahedron". He has written music for graphics videos presented at SIGGRAPH and he performed live at the 1995 SIGGRAPH convention. He wrote and performed the soundtrack for pilot episode of the TV series "Pointman." He played live at the 1996 KLEMDag festival. Some projects, like the "Blue Room" collaboration with Peter Baumann and John Baxter have not been released. He currently lives in Los Angeles and has released two solo albums: "Future Primitive" on Wildcat Records in Oct. '94. and "World Without Rules" on RGB records in 1996. He released an album under the name "Coma Virus". A 15 minute piece from Coma Virus is available on the "DeepNet" Ambient Compilation on Side Effects Records. He released a new album "Score " at the end of 1998. The press release stated "Paul Haslinger's eagerly awaited follow-up to his critically acclaimed World Without Rules is a smoldering amalgam of sonic elixirs. Juxtaposing the cutting edge elements of rock with exotic music styles from around the planet, SCORE emerges as a mesmerizing vision of themusic of the next millennium. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) Subject: Books and Articles 15.1) THE DREAM LIVES ON! The Unofficial Collector's Guide to the Music of TANGERINE DREAM by Alan Vincent Michaels Chronological order discography, history, and track cross reference. At this time, June 30, 1992, Alan has no plans on printing additional copies. Write to: Alan Vincent Michaels 1195 Earls Drive Victor, New York 14564-9518 USA 15.2) VOICES IN THE DUNES The Tangerine Dream Worldwide Discography By Rolf Sonnemann, Peter Stoeferle, and Matt Hargreaves Alphabetical order discography, history, track cross reference. Available in Trade Paperback and Hardcover. U.S. Price: $30.00 + $4.00 shipping (papercover) Washington residents add 8.2% sales tax. Write to: Mathew D. Hargreaves P.O. Box 66099 Seattle WA 98166-0099 USA * This book is also currently out of print. At this time, Nov 10, * 1996, there are been no concrete plans to re-issue or update the * book. Some updates the the Bootlegged Dreams portion of the * book are available on-line. See Section 19. for more details. 15.3) DIGITAL GOTHIC Digital Gothic - A critical discography of Tangerine Dream  By Paul Stump (c) 1997 This book was written with the assistance of Voyager, The UK Tangerine Dream and Electronic Music Magazine and also Horizon Music INC, the leading authority on Tangerine Dream and associated artists in the USA (this is from the back cover).  ISBN 0 946719 18 7  GBP 9.95 , 160 pp SAF publishing Ltd 12 Conway Gardens Wembley Middlesex HA9 8TR Tel: 0181 904 6263 Fax: 0181 930 8565 15.4) MYSTERIOUS SEMBLANCE A Tangerine Dream Chronology by Scott Plumer Primarily written as a source for live tape collectors, this book conatins a comprehensive listing of all tour dates, album releases (including solo releases by the major TD members) with some narrative to go along with the information. Available form Scott Plumer, 11825 Detroit Ave #16, Lakewood, OH 44107, USA E-mail: Scott.Plumer@tri-c.cc.oh.us 15.5) "30 YEARS OF DREAMING: Tangerine Dream 1967-1997 - A Guided Tour" by Kent Borrefjaell Eskildsen. A more personalized view of TD, with the author's feelings and emotional reaction frankly intertwined with historical recounting of events and a good deal of very fair commentary. Gearheads will be delighted with the section on sound engineering. A pleasure to read. Paperback, author's self-publishing, 1997. Can be obtained from Kent at kent-nbe@post3.tele.dk   or by writing to him via snail-mail at: Kent B. Eskildsen Sandbakkevej 7 DK-9800 Hjorring Denmark   15.6) ARTICLES A Tangerine Dream bibliography together with a large number of articles are to be found at Scott Plumer's site: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/5728/tdbib.html Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) Subject: Fan Club Information The Tangerine Dream International Fan Club at P.O. Box 303340, D-1000 Berlin 30, West Germany is no longer, do not send mail to that address. No replacement for this club has been formed, but there are several groups who publish fanzines that fill the gap that was left by the Fanclub's newsletter. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) Subject: Are there any fanzines that focus on TD ? Besides KLEM, there are several other organizations that publish fanzines about electronic music. The list is alphabetical, no ratingis given or implied. BEYOND THE HORIZON about 4 issues/year in English, about 32 pages in A4 format Initially the publication of the TDNAN (TD North American Network), focussed on TD and former members, informations, interviews, reviews, fan questions answered, fan contacts etc. In scope and * appearance close to the old "Tangible Dream". Recently, the * organization has changed their name to Horizon Music and expanded * the coverage of the magazine to include other non-TD related * bands but they still focus on TD. Subscription/Membership to "Beyond The Horizon" is US$ 25.- (USA) or $30 (Canada) or $35.- (elsewhere) for one year. Contact: Horizon Music Hotline : (USA) (313) 281-4874 Attn: Mark Ashby      Email : Brian_Kirby@prenhall.com 60, Victoria Lane Frostburg, MD 21532 USA CASCADES is the sequel to WAVES (see below), edited by former WAVES- coeditor Torsten Zimmer. About 6 issues/year in German, about 60 pages in A5 format. Electronic music in general, lots of album/concert reviews. Subscription: DM 36.- (Germany) or DM 42.- (Europe) for 6 issues Contact : Udo Pollmann Fuerstenkamp 19 D-48712 Gescher Germany DREAM COLLECTOR about 3-4 issues/year in English, about 16 pages in A5 format. Almost solely dedicated to discographic info about TD and former members, track listing and pictures of collectible releases. Intended as followups/updates to "Voices in the Dunes" Subscription : DM 30.- or US$ 20.- for six (Europe) or four (elsewhere) issues. Contact: Rolf Sonnemann        Email:  Peter.Stoferle@t-online.de   Stettiner Str. 14 Fax : (Germany) (0)209-65633 D-38678 Clausthal-Zellerfeld Germany DREAMS WORD about 2 issues/year in English, about 24 pages in nearly A4 format. Electronic music in general, lots of album/concert reviews, usually a big interview included. Right now, new issues are NOT being produced due to burnout of DW's editor, Elana after nearly a decade of publishing. However back issues ARE still available for sale. Issues 14 and 15 contain the largest Christopher Franke interview ever published. Other artists interviewed in DW include Jonn Serrie, Steve Joliffe, Steve Roach, Michael Stearns and Robert Moog. For information on ordering back issues of DREAMS WORD, email Elana at elana@dreamcircle.com  (also www.dreamcircle.com)   VOYAGER about 2-3 issues/year in English, about 56 pages in A4 format. Focused on TD and former members, some reviews of other electronic music. Reviews and pictures of collector's items, informations, flyer updates between issues. Subscription: UKP (Pound Sterling) 11.50(UK) or UKP 15.- (Europe) for 4 issues, UKP 18.- for USA, UKP 20 elsewhere.   Single issues UKP 3.- (UK) or UKP 4.- (Europe), not available elsewhere. Contact : Jason Hopkins  Holly Farm, 37 Main Street, Kilby, Wigston, Leicestershire, LE18 3TD.  Email: jasonh@globalnet.co.uk Fax: 0116-240 4217.    Web site: www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jasonhV   WAVES was discontinued after issue #22 in June 1994 Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) Subject: E-Music Fan Club (KLEM) The KLEM is a Dutch association of lovers of electronic music. Ten years ago the KLEM started as the merger of the fanclubs of Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze. Nowadays they are not so narrow-minded, and pay attention to all kinds of EM.  Activities of the KLEM are an annual convention, which used to feature about four concerts, known as KLEM-dag. This was stopped because of the fact that the people from KLEM had very little time and they have decided to concentrate more on the KLEM itself.   It replacement, E-LIVE,  is organized by Crew, who are basically the same people as the guys who are running Groove Unlimited.  They publish a monthly magazine, about 60 pages, containing interviews, reviews of discs, concerts, etc., plus the latest gossip ("I heard Kitaro is planning a concert in 2035..." "Did you know the Hans Brinkers did play piano on the Moontrack album of Klaus Schulze..." that kind of thing, not what the name of Froese's wife is, or that he hates fishing). As a part of the 10th anniversary of KLEM, they decided to make a special CD, containing a number of musicians in Western Europe. Of course, Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze were to be included, as they were the origin of KLEM. Christopher Franke contributed unreleased music, too (his album Klemania). KLEM-CD 2 was just released for their 15th anniversary. Among many others it features unreleased material by Klaus Schulze, Johannes Schmoelling and Christopher Franke. At the moment, KLEM itself is being run by Frits Couwenberg, a fanatic with a lot of contacts in the EM-sphere. There are about 800 members, KLEM also has a number of spontaneous local organizations. Stichting KLEM Amstelsingel 7 4105 GZ Culemborg The Netherlands phone: +31-3450-19087 (Dutch spoken info on an answering machine, urgent messages may be left there). costs (in the Netherlands): NLG 24.=3D=3D per 6 fanzines (equals about 1 year). Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) Subject: Bootlegs What is a "bootleg" ? An illegally released LP/CD (and sometimes tape/video). To speak in the words of the bootleg bible, the "Hot Wacks" book : "A destinction had best be made at this point between bootleg, pirate and counterfeit records. A bootleg LP/CD consists of unreleased material recorded at concerts, studio outtakes and radio or TV broadcasts. A pirate album consists of released material without attempting to make the LP/CD look like an original. A counterfeit album is an exact copy of an officially released album." 19.1) What TD bootlegs are available ? A comprehensive discography that lists and explains the releases up to 1990 is available on the music archive archive.uwp.edu in the file /pub/music/lists/tadream/misc/bootlegged.dreams It is a slightly reworked version of the article in "Voices in the Dunes" A terse list of updates is in the same directory as : bootlegged.dreams.update The discography (see #2) also includes most bootlegs until 1992. The fanzines VOYAGER and DREAM COLLECTOR also specialize on listing these releases. 19.2) What tracks are on the "XXX" bootleg ? The files mentioned above only occasionally contain detailed track listings, especially if it's a live concert and the producers weren't bothered to put titles on the cover. The tadream mailing list or one of the "collectors" fanzines is a good place to ask. There are fans who have tried to catalogue and identify the tracks that are played on known fantapes, but so far no complete listing has been put together. 19.3) Where can I get bootlegs ? Bootlegs are illegal by copyright laws in most countries. Selling them, even owning them is illegal in some countries, too. Although there is only occasional prosecution against producers and very rarely against dealers or collectors, order adresses or order lists will not lie around in the public. A posting on tadream or a small ad in one of the fanzines mentioned above is most likely to yield you the responses you're waiting for. Record Fairs are another good place to try. 19.4) What is a fantape and how does it differ from a bootleg ? Fantapes are by definition recordings of specific concert performances made by fans, historically onto analog cassette tape where the sound quality varied from good to apalling, but increasingly onto DAT (digital audio tape). Most are kept as souvenirs of the concert and copies are often traded between keen collectors. Although the performances that they were taken form were public, usually the small contractual print on the ticket forbids recording at the venue. The legalities of recording concerts for personal pleasure is well explored in Clinton Heylin's book, Bootleg. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) Subject: What is a Tape Tree ? A tape tree is where a small group of people (seeds) who have rare taped music (see #19) provide copies of that music to a few people (branches), who in turn make copies for a few people each , who make copies for a few people each, etc...Those at the end of the tree who do not provide any further copies are known as leaves. Using this method, it's fairly easy (sort of) to cover a large group who are all interested in the same material. There is some loss of quality (unless you are on a digital tree) unless you have digital recording equipment and are copying DAT to DAT). It is non-profit and enables most fans to hear rare stuff that would otherwise be impossible to get hold of. Normally you must be willing to trade copies of some other hard to get material with your "parent" (the person who ends up making your copies) or at the very least provide him/her with blank media (tapes) at a ratio of 2:1 to help compensate them for their expenditures (tapes and postage). Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) Subject: Pergamon/Quichotte/Staatsgrenze West 21.1) Why do all of these sound similar ? The reason that all three recordings sound familiar is that they're different parts (and different mixes) from the same concert. The concert was at the Palast Der Republik in East Berlin, recorded on January 31st, 1980. It were two 90 minute concerts and TD was allowed to play there (as the first band from the west to play since the wall went up) "because we could assure them not to use words in any way." (Interview with Edgar in TDIFC Newsletter #7*.) (Of course, it's fitting that TD played on 19-20 Feb. 1989 in East Berlin nearly a decade later and as one of the first western bands to play a concert since the wall came down.) *TDIFC = Tangerine Dream International Fan Club, see #16. The original EVENING SHOW was broadcast live by the East-German radio station "Jugendradio DT64". The West-German radio station NDR then re-broadcast the taped Berlin show some time later in 1980, but actually split the concert up in two parts, broadcasting the two parts with a week inbetween (e.g. Part 1 one evening, Part 2 a week later). This has probably led to a different set of pirate tapes circulating. Part 1 is announced (beginning and end) by a female DJ and contains the first set of the EVENING SHOW. Part 2 is announced (beginning and end) by a male DJ and contains the second set and the first minutes (faded out) of the encore of theEVENING SHOW. The 2 original live announcers of the East-German radio station who actually presented the band's history and mentioned previous albums etc. are removed from this particular broadcast version. "Quichotte" was the first official recording of the concert and it was released on Amiga Records, an East German record company. There were two releases of the disc, The first release had a red label and was limited to 1000 copies. The second pressing was with a blue label and had 4000 copies. There were contractual conditions with the recording of the concert and TD couldn't release it on a "western" label for six years. A portion of the concert was broadcast live over the National Broadcasting System of the GDR. A bootleg of this live broadcast appeared as "Staatzgrenze West." Six years later, Caroline Records (in the US) released ">>Pergamon - Live at the Palast der Republik<< GDR". It was completely re-mixed and re-mastered from the original concert tapes. There are numerous similarities to the bootleg, but it's a different recording due to Edgar and company fooling around in their studio. The two tracks on Pergamon, "Quichotte Part I and Part II," of course, further link the two albums. Staatsgrenze West contains material from the first set of the second show. The material on Quichotte and Pergamon is based on the second set of the second show. The differences between Quichotte and Pergamon are very minor; the last few minutes on Pergamon are a bit different from the music on Quichotte. Quichotte part 1 starts off with a piano solo, played by Johannes. This solo has been slightly edited, because of 'bum notes' and some crackles on stage (you can hear the complete version on the fan tape). The second part of the piano solo contains an additional synth-line, playing along with the piano, this line has been edited later on in the studio. The rest of Quichotte part 1 is identical to the material played in concert. A lot of it is based on Tangram part 2, on which TD was working when the go ahead for the East-Berlin gigs came on short notice. Quichotte part 2 is a continuation of part 1, but after about 3:30 minutes, a sequencer line comes in and this 'studio' part runs until the last few minutes, where the conclusion of the second set (second concert) ends Quichotte part 2. The original guitar solo that Edgar performed was more like a 1977-styled solo, with a not very complicated sequence line. The studio solo on Quichotte and Pergamon is accompanied by a digital ( brighter) sequencer and, for the first time, digital drums programmed by Chris Franke. Fans have listened *very* carefully to all recordings, including White Cloths, and the consensus is  that ALL the material is from one and the same concert. There is a set of tapes that purports to cover BOTH shows: the "White Cloths" 2 Cassette set,  released in a nice box in 1993. This limited edition of 25 copies includes the following tracks (excerpt from the box-sheet): Tape 1 : White cloths, Part I 41:28 White cloths, Part II 45:53 Tape 1 is from the evening show, Part 1 is first set, Part 2 is second set. Tape 2 : White cloths, Part III 46:11  is billed as the  afternoon concert   but appears to be a fake. It's a transfer from Quichotte/Pergamon. White cloths, Part IV 12:24 White cloths, Part V 30:21 Part 4 is the encore from the evening show Part 5 is the interview. It is understandable that some fans get very confused, because there's a tape floating around with the encore cut off by a German DJ, who says something (in German like : "You've just heard the first part of TD's concert at....".   This is NOT from the Afternoon Concert, but from the Evening Concert. 21.2) What music appears on which album? PALAST DER REPUBLIK 31 JANUARY 1980 (ex-Berlin East, ex-RDA) AFTERNOON SHOW (16:00) EVENING SHOW (20:00) 1st Set - Quichotte Pergamon Don Quixotte White Cloths (Part I) White Cloths (Part III) 1st Set - Bergama (Set 1) Jan. 31, '80@PDR Eve. Show (Set 1) 2nd Set - White Cloths (Part II) Staatsgrenze West 2nd Set - Bergama (Set 2) Jan. 31, '80@PDR Eve. Show (Set 2) Encore - White Cloths (Part IV) Above Purple Fears (track 1) A Sea of Dreams (CD 3 track 6) The Real Dream Encores (CD 2 track 1) Bergama 21.2 What about the afternoon show - was that broadcast too and is there a tape of it? Now, if you think about it, it is next to IMPOSSIBLE that an FM version of the afternoon concert exists!!!!  How likely do you think it is for a radio station to broadcast *both* shows on the radio????   Especially with the two concerts probably being similar. Remember this is not college radio like in the US, but the large and only pop/rock music radio station of the former German Democratic Republic. *IF* there really is a tape of the afternoon show, it has to be an AUDIENCE recording. Which again is also a bit of an unlikely thing, considering the technology available to the average East-German citizens (and its prices), but not a total impossibility. Nevertheless   *all* tape copies so far have indeed turned out to be versions of the same evening show. There is a chance the radio station (called "Jugendradio DT64") actually recorded the afternoon show as a soundcheck for the evening broadcast and may have it on tape in their archives, but again, it was in all likelihood NOT broadcast. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) Subject: Kaleidoscope - a new TD album ? A band called Kaleidoscope released an album titled Tangerine Dream in 1967. It is not a Tangerine Dream release. The title may be coincidental or inspirational - there is little evidence to tell which came first, Kaleidoscope's TD album or the TD band formed by Edgar Froese Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) Subject: Thief Tracks The extra track on the Thief LP is by Craig Safan (the same person who did the TV show "Cheers" theme song). It's a standard movie action theme, It is unknown who performed the music on this release. The LP only lists TD as performers. The Virgin LP and CD releases are identical. The Elektra LP version is NOT identical to the Virgin CD release. The Elektra LP version DOES contain the "Confrontation" track written by Craig Safan. The Elektra LP version is MISSING the "Beach Scene" track. You can easily notice the differences between the two LPs on side two: The track dimensions (as you look at the vinyl) are different. The "Confrontation" track is wide compared to the last track on the Virgin version, "Igneous." Return to Index ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   24) Subject: The Keep on Tsunami records - is it the real thing ? This version of The Keep soundtrack is *not* by Tangerine Dream but a group called "the Fantasy Merchants". Return to Index ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   25) Subject: Where was Encore recorded ? The version of "Monolight" on "Encore" was absolutely, unequivocally recorded at Washington D.C. Lisner Auditorium April 4, 1977. The announcer is Leo del Aguila (aka Prof. Mota) from WGTB-FM (may it RIP). The radio broadcast version of this track is completely identical to the version released on "Encore" except for a few barely-perceptible alterations to the mix. The Seattle version is not the same. Some variant of the track "Cherokee Lane" on "Encore" was played live at most '77 shows, but the exact version on "Encore" doesn't appear on any known live tapes. The introduction on the album is taken from the Lisner Auditorium show. Indeed, the entire track might have been pieced together from several versions, re-recorded, or simply played at a show for which no circulating live tape exists, although it is more likely it was spliced together from the best bits of several performances with studio overdubs. Edgar claimed in an interview that "Coldwater Canyon" was only played once live, during the short summer tour (which ended after four shows). It doesn't appear on the L.A. July 1977 tape, so if what Edgar says is true, it must have been played at San Diego, Boulder, or Tucson. However in an interview, the interviewer addressed the fact that "Desert Dream" is quite different from the sequenced stuff that TD was doing during that period, and Chris Franke said that "Desert Dream" was composed of a few various live bits plus some of the music from "Oedipus Tyrannus", making it basically a studio construct. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) Subject: What soundtracks did TD actually do and what was lifted from other albums? A number of people have been wondering and speculating on a variety of sdtks. that the band has done. As regards the questions about the differences between the film and release versions, the answer is that the band reworks the material from the film(s) for general release. This is done for a number of reasons, the best of which is that often the film cues are very short and may only use a few instrument sounds, so the band has always felt that to give the fan their money's worth, they would rework the themes into proper songs. The best evidence of this can be found with the music from _Risky Business_. Those of us who have the _Risky Business Audio Movie Kit_ can do an A-B comparison between the 2nd and 3rd LP's to illustrate the differences in the material. Side 4 (on LP 2) had the music cues as used in the film. The 3rd LP was the general release version of the sdtk. There are _vast_ differences between the two! Besides the unissued cues, check out the film versions of "Love on a Real Train", "Guido the Killer Pimp" and "No Future..." Supporting evidence of this can also be found in the Silva Screen issues. With the exception of _Heartbreakers_, the sdtks. they have released have been from the film versions (although some of _Dead Solid Perfect_ was from studio reworkings, as evidenced by the Edgar Froese production credit, even though he later pulled out of the final release), with the resulting variations in sound (and music) quality in full display. Return to Index ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   27) Subject: What are the origins of the many OSTs ? If you have access to fantapes, especially between the '80-'83 period, you'll discover not only the thematic origins of many pieces, but also where a good chunk of movie music material the band has done comes from. Now, this isn't to say that the band doesn't score movies from scratch (_Legend_, most of_Thief_, any movie after '87 springs to mind), and it isn't meant to imply a lack of originality. There is always something uniquely original to any of their filmscores. _Risky Business_ and _Wavelength_ are perfect examples of this sort of juxtaposition. Both had original themes and cues ("The Dream Is Always The Same", "Love On A Real Train" [_RB_], and "Wavelength Main Title", Mojave End Title ", "Airshaft", "Alleywalk" and "Campfire Theme" [W]), and just as much, if not more, 'recycled' material. In _RB_ we get to hear _Tangram_, _Force Majure_ and _Exit_ excerpts, as well as a tiny bit of "Sobornost", a theme from the '81 Europe tour that Edgar once performed on a TV show (not part of the sdtk., but it is on the _...Kit_ . In _Wavelength_, we hear _Exit_ and _Tangram_ again, _Quichotte_ ("Desert Drive" and "Spaceship") and the first official appearance of "Silver Scales", although only the intro ("Church Theme"-which came from the Winter '81-'82 World Tour) There was also lots of 'cross pollination' of filmmusic, i.e. themes and cues appearing in more than one film, with too many examples to list! And remember, the sdtks. for both _The Keep_ and _The Soldier_ contain large amounts of material from _Logos _ and _Poland_ ! Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) Subject: Which OSTs and TV Soundtracks have TD scored ? 1969 - Undinade (TV) 1971 - Geradeaus Bis Zum Morgen (TV), Vampira (TV) 1973 - Ein Fur Alle Mal (TV) 1974 - Oedipus Tyrannus (Theatre) 1976 - Signale aus der Schwaebische Strasse (TV) (This is where the famous 18th century costume shots come from) 1977 - Sorcerer, Pauline et L'Ordinateur (TV) 1978 - Kneuss 1979 - Das Verbotene Spiel (TV)    Scored only by Edgar Froese, not by TD. 1981 - Strange Behaviour, Thief, Brandmale (TV), Im Regen Nach Amerika (TV) 1982 - The Soldier, Kamikaze 1989 (TV), Tatort: Das Maechden auf der Treppe  (Kamikaze 1989 was scored by Edgar Froese). (TV), Tempo 82 (TV), Identification of a Woman, 1983 - The Keep, Risky Business, Spasms, Wavelength, Tatort: Miriam (TV) 1984 - Firestarter, Flashpoint, Street Hawk (TV), Tatort: Heisser Schnee (TV) 1985 - Heartbreakers, Vision Quest, Forbidden (TV), The Park Is Mine (TV) 1986 - Legend, Red Heat 1987 - City of Shadows, Near Dark, Red Nights, Shy People, Three O'Clock High, Zoning, Canyon Dreams (Video), Deadly Care (TV), Tonight's the Night 1988 - Body Body (TV) 1989 - Catch Me If You Can, Miracle Mile, Dead Solid Perfect (TV), Destination Berlin (Cinema 360) 1990 - The Man Inside, Rainbow Drive (TV), Rumpelstiltskin (TV) 1992 - The Switch (TV) 1997 Oasis (Video) 1998 Luminous Visions (Video) Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) Subject: Where did the tracks on Hollywood Years 1 and 2 originate from ?   Hollywood Years 1 and 2 were released in 1998, with no indication from the band as to which Films or OSTs the music came from. The members of the Tadream list have attempted to guess where the music originates and this is detailed below. It does not have any *official* validity, and you may agree or disagree with the information. Hollywood Years Vol. 1: #3: "Goldhunter" contains the Swamp-Hag theme from LEGEND, though highly Tangentized. The Tangentizing is actually borrowed from the Dream Dice bonus disk track 3: "craving for cardomon" #4: "Law Paradiso" is actually "One Fine Day in Siberia" from Edgar Froese's _Beyond The Storm_. #5: "La petite rue noir"--rather Near Dark-ish #6: "Propeller Beach"--The Park Is Mine #7: "Autumn In Sonoma"-- Is this a snippet of the Sountrack for Skyscrapers maybe? #8: "Chamber of Hope"--might be a Man Inside leftover #9: "The Quiet Gambler"--similar to one of the Zoning tracks... #10:"The Principle Source"--sounds rather 85-86ish, circa Le Parc. #11: "Labeo" definitely sounds like it would have been a leftover from _Thief_: nice long sequencer track, dark mood, etc. #12: "Escape from Shadowland"--Makes me think it was a rejected early version of "Mothers of Rain". #13: "Chronos Mile--believe it or not, it seems to me it's actually structured rather like the '80s renditions of "Silver Scale"   Hollywood Years Vol. 2: #1: "South Camora" is actually Walkabout from Edgar Froese's _Pinnacles_. It is also similar to a track from Logostypes (boot), as well as #8: "Sign in the Dark" from _The Keep_ special edition (TDI). #2 Similar to Heartbreakers #3: "Midas Touch" is similar to "Dolphin Dance" (UNDERWATER SUNLIGHT) and "Investigation" (from THE MAN INSIDE soundtrack; check the track at the 1:19 mark and the 2:18 mark). Also some resemblence to Canyon Dreams. #4: "City Monk" is the exact same track as "Ulan Ude" (Transsiberia, #7). Similar sounds to Shy People/Deadly Care #5: Similar to _Rockoon_. #6: "Cool Ma Bell" sounds incredibly close to "The Fight is On" from _3 O'CLOCK HIGH_, but that song is credited to Sylvester Levay (though that might be a misprint...). Also similar to_Near Dark_. #7 Similar to Heartbreakers #8 Similar to Firestarter / Red Nights #9: "Token from Birdland" also appears on _Ambient Monkeys_ . #11 Similar to Canyon Dreams/Shy People #12 Similar to 220 Volt #13: "Riding the Lizard Overland" is from the soundtrack of Red Heat (unreleased). It also sounds a lot like "Tiergarten" from _Le Parc_ Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) Subject: What were the most popular TD albums The debate about which is the most popular album is one that will always rage on. It is a matter of personal taste to many TD fans. Objectively, the following observations can be made: As of 1985 (which is when Joel Whitburn's book "Top Pop Albums" was published), there were 6 TD albums which had made Billboard's Top 200 chart. The winner is "Thief", which reached #115 and was on the chart 10weeks. The others, in descending order: Sorceror, #153, 6 weeks Stratosfear, #158, 7 weeks Encore, #178, 2 weeks Exit, #195, 2 weeks Phaedra, #196, 2 weeks Phaedra reached No. 15 in the UK Gallup charts. TD have never had an album in the UK Top Ten - in fact, they hold the record for the most 'hit' albums (ie Top 100) without a single Top Ten hit! (with 17) Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) Subject: What is that sound at the beginning and end of the Livemiles West-Berlin Concert? It was cold (8C) and drizzling, but there was no thunderstorm as some had thought .The noise could be from the fireworks afterwards, or just mixed in from anywhere. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) Subject: Did TD music get played at the start of the 1996 Olympic Games ? Yes. The 'Warsaw In the Sun' sequence from "Barbakane" was played when the first few countries came out and after Barbakane they played Le Parc. They repeated the same tracks at least 3 times in a loop. Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) Which tracks appeared on both Traumzeit and Electronic Orgy boots? 15 tracks Alpha -Traumzeit and also on Electronic Orgy >7. Octahedron II (4:05) - Octahedron Sampler >8. Roaring of the Bliss (4:58) - Private TD music >9. Machiko (2:46) - Korg Sampler CD >10. Quazar (3:43) - Italian CDI >11. A Time for Heroes (6:02) - Extended CD-single version >12. House of the Rising Sun (4:32) - Secret gig encore 1988 >13. Horns of Doom (5:41) - KLEM anniversary cassette >14. Warsaw in the Sun (4:45) - 12" >15. The Dream is always the Same (0:30)- Film quote Tom Cruise Beta-Traumzeit and also on Electronic Orgy >10. Speed (2:29) - Tatort OST 12" >11. Lost Tale (3:27) - KLEM CD >12. Beaver Town (4:26) - Private TD music 1992 >13. Dolphin Dance (4:57) - Dolphin Dance 12" >14. Unicorn Theme (7:02) - LEGEND WDR Radio 23.2.89 >15. Prologue & Conversation (1:44) - LEGEND Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) Where can I get a complete concert listing ? Scott Plumer's book, Mysterious Semblance has a chronological listing (see #15). There are also some incomplete listings on personal webpages (see #29) Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) Where is there a TD cover image gallery ? Apart from the band's own site, several fans have collections of bootleg artwork. See #38 Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) Subject: Acronymns and jargon for the newbie - what do they mean ? Tangentizing - remixing a "classic" piece of older music by playing chords and other sounds over top of the existing material (not actually remixing or recreating the original Usually used with a negative conotation OST - Orginal Soundtrack EF - Edgar Froese JF - Jerome Froese CF - Chris Franke HWY - Hollywood Years ToTT - Turn of The Tides ToB - Tyranny of Beauty DoLP - Double LP EM - Electronic Music Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) Subject: Official Web Resources The official Tangerine Dream web homepage: http://www.tadream.de (contains lots of links to other sites, 100+ questions & answers.) The official Klaus Schulze web homepage:  http://www.klaus-schulze.com/welcome.htm The official Christopher Franke web homepage : http://www.sonicimages.com/cf/cfhome.html The official Johannes Schmoelling homepage http://members.tripod.de/Theta/html/index.htm The official Paul Haslinger home page  http://www.haslinger.com The unofficial Paul Haslinger home page http://www.netfront.fr/music/PaulHaslinger RGB Records home page  http://rgbrecords.com Miramar home page  http://www.uspan.com/miramar/miramar.html Sonic Images home page http://www.sonicimages/com Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 38) Subject: Are there any unofficial Web sites for additional information ? Many fans have information (not all up-to-date) on their websites. This varies from collections of cover artwork to lists of bootlegs, concerts, discographies, articles and picture from the bands long history and more. Here is a selection that are generally well researched, maintained and worth a visit. www.online.de/home/tdklaus/ (Klaus Beschorner) home.sn.no/~mmoen/tadream/ (Morton Moen) www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5464/tadream.htm (Stephan Bischoff) www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5544/tngdrm.html (Scott Miller) www.dtv.dk/privat/pr/music.htm (Peter Ravn) website.lineone.net/~simon.clarke/td.htm (Simon Clarke) idt.net/~torque19/td-trade.htm (Vic Rek) pweb.uunet.de/peschke.h/ (Jens Peschke) perso.wanadoo.fr/pedro.machado/ (Pedro Machado) members.tripod.com/~aztadream/index.html (Shonie de la Rosa) www.lpool.demon.co.uk/steve1.htm (Steve Jenkins) infobase.acomedia.it/nicola/nike.html (Nicola Conti) www.ctv.es/USERS/jupe/home.htm (Jupe) www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~theissen/tadream.html (Armin Theissen) www.prima.ruhr.de/home/ruckus/tdream.htm (Torsten Moeller) www.cs.ualberta.ca/~pavel/music/tadream.html (Pawel Jachowicz) http://home.t-online.de/home/rutka/ (Rainer Rutka) http://users.cybercity.dk/~bkb2467/index.htm   (Kenton Files Homepage) Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 39) Subject: What's available on the tadream archive? The tadream archive is no longer available. AOL will be removing the old mirror copy of the archive from their site and so archives won't be available there either. Except for the back info that is available via majordomo and in other archives, archives won't be available anywhere. If you are subscribed to the Tadream mailing List, you can access old digests by sending a mail to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu with the message body of get tadream-digest v16.n501 get tadream-digest v16.n502   etc etc If you want to list all avilable digests (the last 1000 I think) send index tadream-digest Return to Index --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 40) Subject: How do I subscribe to the Tadream Mailing List ? 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As of 1.2.99, Edgar is 55 and Jerome is 29. On the inner sleeve of the Alpha Centauri / Atem 2LP,  is written: Personnel: Edgar Froese (Gemini dates 4406060930) So he was probably born on 1944, June, 6th at 09:30 AM Return to Index ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   Steve's Page Jenny's Page Anna's Page Gabriella's Page Robert's Page Home Page