REMARKS AND CORRECTIONS to my concert recording lists ====================================================== December 4, 2011 By now, I have been a collector of concert recordings for more than thirty years. Countless confusions, contradictions and disagreements about the proper identification of certain concert tapes, particularly very old and obscure ones, have come up between myself and other collectors during these years. Most of them were about harmless flaws, like typing errors in lists or slightly incorrect dates, like day and month being mixed up. But there always are some people who seem to be [hmmm, how can I say this politely?] "tempted to enlarge their swap material" by re-naming well-known tapes, labelling them as a different concert. Of course, there are some who do such things just because they don't have their act together (like myself, sometimes), but there are also professional rarities dealers who do so on purpose with the single goal of ripping off their customers. Other collectors, who don't have the possibility or (like myeslf) are sometimes too busy to check each "new" tape against the known ones, then take care for a good distribution of "false" recordings. With the rise of recordable CDs, the hobby of not only collecting live concert recordings, but also "releasing" them in fancy covers, under invented titles, has spread much wider. This includes more of the above mentioned scams, unfortunately. Sound remastering, like de-noising, changing the sound and speed etc., makes comparisons to other releases even more difficult than in the times of cassette tapes. Here's a little selection of what I've found out during the last years, with a lot of help from friends. Special thanks go to Tony Buttler, Radu Velicescu, Chris Wojtecki, Heiko Heerssen, Jacek Zeromski, John Burek, Al Benson, Steve Dinsdale, Gregor Meyer, Jeffrey Au Yeung, Nicola Cont, Michael Berling and Jacob Pertou. Of all the stuff I realized to be identical, you'll mostly see only one "title" in my own list. Sometimes I had a good reason for my choice, sometimes it had to be purely at random. If you can contribute any similar information, your help will be welcome! A few infos here are about mis-labeled stuff on the Internet, on servers or filesharing networks, but I will no longer even try to keep track of that. It would be a full-time job ;-) TANGERINE DREAM : ----------------- 1. still under investigation ---------------------------- - a new version of Köln, WDR 25.11.72 has been found (Tangerine Tree 52) the music (79min) is entirely different from the old tape (50min), maybe both are part of one long concert? - a "new" recording of Croydon 1976 has surfaced, (Tangerine Leaves 23) and it's history is well documented back to the original taper. But it is different music from the "old" Croydon 1976 that I had, and the "old" tape is also different from any other known 1976 recording. - Olaf Zimmermann (host of the Radio Eins "Elektrobeats" show) reports to have attended the afternoon show at Palast der Republik in East Berlin on 31.01.1980, so there really were two concerts. Alas, all tapes and CDRs circulating so far seem to be different excerpts from one (evening?) concert, sometimes beefed up with parts of Quichotte/Pergamon. 2. definitely true ------------------ - San Francisco Old Waldorf 20.11.1980 was confirmed by eyewitnes and poster to have really been on the 23rd, and at the Warfield Theatre. The Old Waldorf was a tiny club that could in no way have hosted TD. - what I thought was the French issue of the Cyclone promo single "Bent Cold Sidewalk / Rising Runner.." was indeed a duplicate of the Spanish release. I now have the real French issue. - London Hammersmith Odeon, March 1978: Tangerine Leaves 50, labeled 28.03.78, is indeed from 20.03.1978. TD played the Hammersmith Odeon twice during the "Cyclone" tour. This has now been confirmed by the original taper. "Balayindagar Ballet" and the cassette tape in my list seem to be from a different concert, so I will contnue to label them 28.03.78 - Cucciago 02.81 and Cantu 7.2.81 are two different recordings of the same concert. Cucciago is a suburb of Cantu. A Virgin poster for the Italian tour gives 14.2.81 as the date for Cantu (7.2.81 Perugia). - In their very fisrt "incarnations" the live videos on Digital Video Tree Volume 9 "Los Angeles 1992" and Volume 15 "Baltimore 1992" were two different excerpts from the same recording. The camera date pops up during Linda's first saxophone set, marking this as Baltimore 15.10.1992. Later distribution versions of Vol.9 contained the real Los Angeles 30.10.1992 show, starting with a few seconds showing the outside of the Wiltern theater. Unfortunately, it was mastered from a distant copy of the original "An Evening in LA" VHS box set. - `Oedipus Tyrannus' was recorded in June 1974 at CBS studios and mixed at The Manor. There have only been three extracts heard: Overture (11min) was on the "V" sampler LP, and this together with Zeus and Baroque(13min) was broadcast from a private tape by John Peel on BBC. The actual broadcast date, as confirmed by the book "In Session Tonight: The Complete Radio 1 Recordings" by Ken Garner, was 11 July 1974. There was no _live_ performance of the music at Chichester or anywhere else. The three circulating tapes, 29.08.74 "BBC in Concert", "BBC-Session" and "Chichester Festival" are all partially overlapping excerpts from this same broadcast. - 05.06.76 was Manchester Palace Theatre, not Free Trade Hall - "15.11.76 Manchester Free Trade Centre" is 5.11.76 Free Trade Hall. Croydon was the last English date. There was no gig on 15th as they crossed the channel to play Brussels on the 16th. - The concert on 9.2.1976 was at "Auditorium Paul-Emile Janson" at the U.L.B. (Université Libre de Bruxelles-Brüssel-Brussels), the french part of the university, so it's not the Jansen/Janson University, Janson is the name of that particular Auditorium. - there are only two known recordings from the 1975 Australian tour. Melbourne 1975 (84 min) is often also passed off as "Sydney 1975", often with different tape speed and track order. According to a review in RAM magazine (see Dream Collector #27) the Sydney concert only lasted 65min, so "Melbourne" is probably the correct venue for this tape. The other authentic recording is from Adelaide (87 min). - Brussels 16.11.1976 is really only 66min of unique music. The rest of the 91min-tape was repetitions of the same music. - extensive research has been done on TD's schedule for the Japan tour in 1983, and all ads confirm the following sequence: 1983.06.22 Sun Plaza Hall, Tokyo 1983.06.23 Sun Plaza Hall, Tokyo 1983.06.25 Koseinenkin Hall, Tokyo (in Shinjuku district) 1983.06.27 Koseinenkin Hall, Nagoya 1983.06.28 Festival Hall, Osaka for the existing tapes of Tokyo June 23 and 25, we do not know whether the date or the venue is correct, only one can be true... - the wonderful soundboard recording from the 1988 USA tour is actually from New Haven, 9.9.1988. It was called "Boston 6.9.88" on "Spherical Harmonics" 1+2 to protect the original source, and the name stuck for later releases like "At The Mountains of Madness". ATMoM had a fake "last encore". The current "At The Mountains of Madness V.2" has this fake encore removed and Edgar's final words instead. - New York 5.4.1977 is really only 104 min long. The beginning of the second set (14 min) and of the last encore (12 min) are repeated on the "129 min" tape. - Olympia is the exhibition hall in London where the Audio Fair took place on 22nd October 1975. TD performed a 14 min live piece, then gave a 7 min mellotron demonstration. Nothing more was performed there. The tape "Olympia Theatre 32 min" (part of which was "unknown 1975")is in fact terribly bad copies of 1. the Olympia live piece, running 8% faster and 2. the last encore from Coventry Cathedral 1975. - Reims Cathedral 1974. The complete concert is on the CD bootleg "Live Improvised". The many different tapes are, with respect to "Live Improvised": "main set" is CD2 (running faster), then CD1 "radio version first encore" an excerpt from CD2, but with extra announcements and bits of Nico at the end, who played after (not with!) TD. "end of first and full second encore" is the end of the above, but without the announcer,plus the beginning of CD2 so, all you need is the "Live Improvised" 2CD, and the "excerpt with announcer" (17min) is for the real complettists. - Manchester 19.10.1975 and York 20.10.1975 have been mixed up badly among collectors, to the extent that sometimes re-shuffled fragments of one concert were passed of as the other. I now (2002, finally!) have authentic versions of Manchester (starting with a "chirps" sound,82min) and York (starting with a "flute" sound, 78min). The tape in my list, labeled as York, turned out to be Manchester. Oh well, before today, it was a 50-50 choice. The hardest-to-spot fake was one that was missing the first 10min of the (real) Manchester tape, and then had sides A and B reversed when in cassette form. The creativity of some people... - German TV 24.2.78 was in fact a broadcast of Berlin 1976, and it is not a continuation (Part II), but a fragment of, Berlin Philharmonie 27.6.76 (31 min) - Glasgow 24.3.78 is only 104 min. The encores are just 9 mins from Glasgow, the remaining 20 mins are the beginning of Hamburg 24.2.78, the beginning of the 52 min tape, that is, not the beginning of the show... - Berlin 26.04.72 "Klangcollage" is most probably not an original TD piece, but a mix of TD and Ashra LP music done by the radio DJ. - The CDR "Logotypes - Polygon Studio Berlin 1982" is actually a shortened, bad version of the soundboard tape from Berlin 15.11.82. - My Nantes 1.3.78 had identical music on sides A and B of the C90 tape. They were two very slightly different excerpts from the same recording. I now have a complete, 108min version from VF 78-04. - basically, three different versions exist of London Royal Albert Hall, April 2, 1975. Many tapes, CDs and CDRs have derived from those: 1) the original BBC tape or radio transmission (mono !) 2) a variation of 1),computer software was used to add a stereo effect 3) a genuine stereo audience recording of the concert - Montreal 2.9.88 113min is not a complete concert. It's one tape of really bad quality starting in the middle of the show until the end (79min) plus a different, better recording of the encores alone (33min) - "Tangerine Dream - Reaction in G (live 1967 Oude-Ahoy Hallen Rotterdam)" is actually a track by Pink Floyd from 13th November of this year (Hippy Happy Fair), available on several PF bootlegs. - "Toronto 04.77 94 min" and "Quebec 11.4.77 97 min" were two different recordings of the same concert. "Toronto" is much better in sound quality. "Quebec" had cassette sides A and B reversed, and the "encore" (last 10 min) is the end of the second track,Monolight, in very bad sound quality. Also, all the tapes run too slow, so they are really only 85-88min of music ... very confusing! - "unknown concert 1976, 33 min" was identical to the first track of the tape "Brighton 10.6.76, 85 min", which is the SECOND track of the CDR "Brighton 10.6.76, longer version, 111 min". - But: Brighton 10.6.76 "longer version" is also only 84 min. The other tracks on this 2CDR are TD live Audio Fair 1975, a TD interview and a track by Wavestar - my old "Bristol 1975" (90 mins) was identical to Coventry 1975 with Sides A and B reversed. I now have the real Bristol 1975. - "unknown 1975" was a part of London 1975 - Birmingham 1975 is only max. 90 min, the false encores repeated part of the main show. Even in this 90 min, I'm almost sure that the first 18 min are really from Glasgow 1975 (last track) - Seattle 1977 (90 min) was a poor copy of London 1976 - a false Part II had been supplied with the tape Melbourne 1982 I now have the real one - Luxembourg 1980 is only 50 min, Part II was the same as part I - Paris 23.1. and 26.1.1976 were identical - a "new" Bruessel 1976 was not at all different from the old one - Swedish FM 1979 was in fact a TV-broadcast of Coventry 1975 - The so-called NDR-Radio Session (Froese-Schnitzler-Oldfield) was a track by Gandalf - Ponts de Ce 1973 : both the "forward" and "backward" version were half running backwards, together they now make a complete, forward tape. - The venue of the Firenze/Florenz/Florence concerts on 8.2.81 has been confimed by eyewhitness to be "Teatro Tenda", not "Apollo" - CDR "The Spiders Soundtrack": this is the soundtrack to the TV documentary "Leben am Seidenen Faden", only LP-music by TD, KS and Edgar Froese. - CDR "Human Experiments": this is another title for "Strange Behaviour" or "Dead Kids". - Los Angeles 1977: the old "25.04.77", 120 min, is actually 26.4.77, clean treble 26.4.77, 13 min is ?? , the new 26.4.77 is from the same recording but much more bass-heavy - until 1999, all so-called "Essen 1967..70" tapes I've heard were noisy copies of the 'Electronic Meditation'-LP (maybe played on radio?). A tape recently appeared, labeled "Essen (Essener Songtage) 29.8.68" which is musically identical, but of much better quality, than the one that used to appear as "unknown concert 1972/73" in most lists, including my own. This tape has grown new CDR titles like mushrooms, among them: "Rot Weiss", "London 10.10.1970" , "Flipperkonzert Kapfenberg 1970" and "Birth of the Kosmishe" - some more concert venues confirmed by eyewhitness: Nottingham 08.11.76 was in the Albert Hall, Nottingham 22.03.86 and 29.10.90 were in the Royal Concert Hall (part of the Royal Centre). - the BBC 11.12.94 Interview "The Art of Noise" was really from 17.12.97 "The Story of the Mellotron", narrated by Rick Wakeman. - "1974 Unknown Date/Location" on Digital Tape Tree 5 (Track 7) is an excerpt from Bradford 26.11.74 - the track "Rubidium", circulating on Napster, is in fact the first track of "The Real Dream Encores", called "Coefficient part 3". - the "07.93 telephone interview for TDNAN" was not with Edgar Froese, but with Steve Jolliffe KRAFTWERK : ----------- - WDR 1975, Sartory-Saal 1975 and Kometenmelodie were all the same concert : Koeln 22.3.75. - Both Berlin 72 and Paris Beat Club 72 were just Bremen Beatclub doubled. - "USA TV 1978" was really French TV "Chorus" 01.10.78 - "French TV 15.10.78" was really USA TV "Midnight Special", April 1975 - Boeblingen 02.12.81 was _really_ in the Kongresshalle, although all ads, tickets etc. say "Sporthalle". I was there! - Kiel 1981 was on 07.12. in Ball Pompoes, not 10.07 in Detour - Frankfurt 09.12.81 was in the Alte Oper ASHRA TEMPEL : -------------- - there was no gig at Toulouse on 30.04.77,so I renamed this tape "unknown" - Live Switzerland 09.71 is Bern Militärshow 10.09.71, the same concert as on the official CD "Private Tapes 6" ELOY : ------ - a so-called "Koeln 19.3.79" was identical to "Hamburg 9.5.77", and the correct date is not 9.5. and not 25.3. but, confirmed by ticket stub, Hamburg Musikhalle 15.03.1977 KLAUS SCHULZE ------------- - 11.10.1979 Köln was in the Stadthalle Köln-Mülheim (not Sporthalle)